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pumpkin pie · Jul 24, 2007, 08:08 AM // 08:08

Are these the only 2 profession that has 5 attribute category (not counting the no attribute skills) do you think thats not fair for other professions? and should be added?

JeniM · Jul 24, 2007, 08:13 AM // 08:13

Whys it unfair?
You still get same 200 att point cap so it just means you have to think more when making builds that you do with 4 choices

6am3 Fana71c · Jul 24, 2007, 08:22 AM // 08:22

No. It is fine as it is. No warrior will ever put in both axe and hammer mastery, it will be strength + single weapon mastery + tactics. Same as elementalist, I don't know any ele that puts points in 3 diffrent elements, usualy it is energy storage + fire + water/earth

Cebe · Jul 24, 2007, 08:26 AM // 08:26

It's just a choice you have to make when choosing your profession. It would be like saying, "well if a Paragon has 80 armor, isn't it a little unfair that Ritualists only have 60 armor?".

You pay certain prices and gain certain benefits when you select your profession, it's just a part of playing the game.

ryanryanryan0310 · Jul 24, 2007, 08:36 AM // 08:36

Hey sometimes I want to use axes. hammers & swords at the same time. To be a real weapon master

j/k

prism2525 · Jul 24, 2007, 08:52 AM // 08:52

Elementalists can get 80 AL by using a prismatic insigna and reaching 9 in all 4 elements.

I haven't seen one mad enough to do it though

pumpkin pie · Jul 24, 2007, 09:06 AM // 09:06

maybe i use the wrong word "not fair" what I am thinking was that maybe we can have new attribute for the profession. I added some, but they are not perfect, just something I was thinking of.

Critical strike
Dagger mastery
Deadly arts
Shadow arts
Flying daggers/weapons thingy.

Earth
Mysticism
Scythe
Wind
Shapeshifting

Domination
Fast casting
Illusion
Inspiration
Dreamscape (ability to sends / telepot friends/foes from its current locations)

Divine favor
Healing
Protection
Smiting
Meditation

Blood
Curses
Death
Soul reaping
Grenth Favor

Command
Leadership
Motivation
Spear
Sogolons Favor something, i am not really very familiar with paragon yet.

Beast
Expertise
Marksmanship
Wilderness
Tracking (secrets doors et cetera)

Channeling
Communing
Restorations
Spawning
Awaken (skills relating to awaken the ashes they hold summoning gods of the old etcetera.)

*lemming* · Jul 24, 2007, 09:11 AM // 09:11

So you want to make the game harder to balance?

pumpkin pie · Jul 24, 2007, 09:17 AM // 09:17

er, anet has to deal with that, lol not my problem.

besides you still only get 200 attribute points, just more stuffs (different skills et cetera) to play with, and more new related weapons.

Iuris · Jul 24, 2007, 09:27 AM // 09:27

Pumpkin, if anything, having additional attributes is NOT fair. Ideally, a class would have 2 attributes only, so all skills wouldbe automatically maxed out.

pumpkin pie · Jul 24, 2007, 09:30 AM // 09:30

please explain Iuris, I am not sure what you mean by 2 attributes only? and skill maxed out?

-Loki- · Jul 24, 2007, 09:36 AM // 09:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

er, anet has to deal with that, lol not my problem.

And that's precisely why it's not going to happen. Because it's their problem.

Lafayette · Jul 24, 2007, 10:11 AM // 10:11

Don't try and fix what isn't broken imo.

Fix what is.

Iuris · Jul 24, 2007, 10:38 AM // 10:38

What I'm saying is that each character only gets a fixed amount of attribute points. The more attribute lines you invest them in, the lower your actual attributes will be, and the lower your overall effectiveness.

Thus follows that having an extra attribute line is not unfair to the other professions - it is unfair to the professions with the extra attibute lines.

Also note that given a fixed number of skills, this makes for fewer skills per attribute, actually limiting your options.

Molock · Jul 24, 2007, 06:11 PM // 18:11

On my warrior I select a weapon before combat and make sure that my attributes are distributed properly.. If I am using a sword, I have 15-16 swordsmanship, 11 tactics, 9 strength...

If I am using my ele in PvE I will use fire mainly, so 16 fire, 15 energy storage...

So how exactly is the fact that we have extra attributes not fair?

Stormlord Alex · Jul 25, 2007, 12:26 AM // 00:26

The assassin one you're thinking of is Shuriken-jutsu

Which, in essence, 'sins already have in dagger-throwing skills. No-one's stopping you from spamming Dancing Daggers!

In all honesty, I really can't see how other classes could have a 5th attribute - it all, well, kinda makes sense as it stands now. Anything else would seem rather... shoddy, and tacked on. And you really don't want A-Net to do something like that... I mean, look at the DoA.

The only classes that have 5 attributes at the moment - Elementalist and Warrior - well, seem right. The elementalist uses the 4 classical elements - each having their own attribute line - as well as Energy Storage, what with being fonts of the almighty, primal energies of creation (oh, go on... call it Aether... I've been itchin' to do it too)
The warrior? 3 weapon choices, given that they are. in fact, the masters of melee combat, Tactics - which is, indeed, battlefield tactical manouvres and all that crap, and Strength, which - yup! - harnesses their brute force (... and sucks

).

And, yes, I lawl'd at 15 ES.

Div · Jul 25, 2007, 12:37 AM // 00:37

Yes, let's have them add another couple hundred skills into the game because it's not like they have anything better to do...

Coloneh · Jul 25, 2007, 03:51 AM // 03:51

sdding more things to balance is stupid, because it isnt Anet's problem, Its ours. they already have our money, if we demand a game to hard to balance they dont really have any reason to balance it.

pumpkin pie · Jul 25, 2007, 03:52 PM // 15:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iuris

What I'm saying is that each character only gets a fixed amount of attribute points. The more attribute lines you invest them in, the lower your actual attributes will be, and the lower your overall effectiveness.

Thus follows that having an extra attribute line is not unfair to the other professions - it is unfair to the professions with the extra attibute lines.

Also note that given a fixed number of skills, this makes for fewer skills per attribute, actually limiting your options.

okay thanks. I did say I used the wrong word there, "unfair" but nevermind, I understand what you are trying to say.

So now, no one is trying to spread out attributes points here, the thing is to have an extra attribute category for the profession that now have only 4 category, and in so doing, that would give more build options, more variety, its very simple. it might probably make the life spam of the gameplay longer now that you have new things to do.

Bowstring Badass · Jul 25, 2007, 04:16 PM // 16:16

Something useless that shouldn't go into the game? The extra attribute area is useless why mess up the game more with more useless crap. A-Net does a good enough job adding useless crap (party search for example).

Why do we need more useless crap?